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Posted: 29.04.2007 21:56 Post subject: miten sulat kiinni |
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miten sulat kiinni puu nuoleen??? |
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Posted: 29.04.2007 22:10 Post subject: |
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Liimalla. |
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tkorte
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 648 Location: Ilomantsi
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Posted: 29.04.2007 22:13 Post subject: |
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Liimalla? Yleensä joo...  |
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Simo Hankaniemi

Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 4937 Location: Turku
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Posted: 30.04.2007 09:03 Post subject: |
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Liimalla ja langalla (tai jänteellä) sulat pysyvät meikäläisen nuolissa. |
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Dan The Master
Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Location: Perho
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Posted: 30.04.2007 21:51 Post subject: |
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Isket ne vaan lihaas ni ne jää suhun kiinni... _________________ "Elämä on synkkää mutta onneksi siinä on varjopuolia" |
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Mika
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 978
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Posted: 22.05.2007 21:00 Post subject: |
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ois kyl kiva jos ois sulkiii ja minkä laisii kannataa käytää  |
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Santtu Risku
Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 1659 Location: Inari
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Posted: 22.05.2007 21:22 Post subject: |
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no sanotaan näin, että älä tuhlaa aikaa mihinkään harakan sulkiin. jos sinulla on tilaisuus saada jostain metsäkanalintujen, erityisesti metson, koppelon, teeren jne sulkiin niin käytä niitä. joutsen on ehdoton ykkönen siitä mitä olen itse käyttänyt. muista että sulan ei tarvitse olla kovinkaan "korkea" mutta sen tulisi olla ainakin 15 cm pitkä.. tottahan varmaan joku 10 toimii mutta mutta. senkun kokeilet ja kantapään kautta vaan. sen oppii parhaiten niin. _________________ "When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Simo Hankaniemi

Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 4937 Location: Turku
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Posted: 23.05.2007 01:17 Post subject: |
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Jotkut sulat ovat kyllä aika surkeita, kuten lokkien ja variksen. Mutta käytä juuri niitä, mitä saat hankituksi. Olen tehnyt kymmeniä nuolia aikoinaan sulittamalla variksen sulilla. |
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Mika
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 978
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Posted: 24.05.2007 21:26 Post subject: |
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Leikkaan sulat sopiviksi sitomista, sekä liimaamista varten. 4" jännevälille en käytä pitkiä sulkia paksullekaan nuolelle, vaan joko kolmea kevyemmälle nuolelle, tai neljää sulkaa raskaammalle nuolelle. |
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Rakonczay

Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Kuusankoski
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Posted: 28.05.2007 11:48 Post subject: |
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Toxophilus kertoo että hanhen sulat ovat parhaita:
Tox. Only a feather is fit for a shaft for two causes; first because it is leath, weak to give place to the bow, then because it is of that nature that it will start up after the bow. So plate, wood, or horn, cannot serve, because they will not give place. Again, cloth, paper, or parchment, cannot serve, because they will not rise after the bow; therefore a feather is only meet, because it only will do both.
Now, to look on the feathers of all manner of birds, you shall see some so low, weak, and short, some so coarse, stoore, and hard, and the rib so brickie, thin and narrow, that it can neither be drawn, pared, nor yet will set on ; that except it be a swan for a dead shaft, (as I know some good archers have used,) or a duck for a flight, which lasts but one shot, there is no feather but only of a goose that hath all commodities in it.
... for our purpose, the goose is the best feather for the best shooter.
The old goose feather is stiff and strong, good for a wind, and fittest for a dead shaft: the young goose feather is weak and fine, best for a swift shaft; and it must be couled at the first sheering, somewhat high, for with shooting it will settle and fall very much. The same thing (although not so much) is to be considered in a goose and a gander. A fenny goose, even as her flesh is blacker, stoorer, unwholsomer, so is her feather, for the same cause, coarser, stoorer, and rougher; and therefore I have heard very good fletchers say, that the second feather in some place is better than the pinion in other some.
Betwixt the wings is little difference, but that you must have divers shafts of one flight, feathered with divers wings, for divers winds; for if the wind and the feather go both one way, the shaft will be carried too much. The pinion feathers, as it hath the first place in the wing, so it hath the first place in good feathering. You may know it before it be pared, by a bought which is in it; and again when it is cold, by the thinness above, and the thickness at the ground; and also by the stiffness and fineness which will carry a shaft better, faster, and further, even as a fine sail-cloth doth a ship.
The colour of the feather is least to be regarded, yet somewhat to be looked on; for a good white you have sometime an ill grey. Yet, surely it standeth with good reason, to have the cock-feather black or grey, as it were to give a man warning to nock right. The cock-feather is called that which standeth above in right nocking; which if you do not observe, the other feathers must needs run on the bow, and so marr your shot. And thus far of the goodness and choice of your feather :
...now followeth the setting on. Wherein you must look that your feathers be not drawn for hastiness, but pared even and straight with diligence. The fletcher draweth a feather when it hath but one swap at it with his knife, and then plaineth it a little, with rubbing it over his knife. He pareth it when he taketh leisure and heed to make every part of the rib apt to stand straight and even on upon the stele.
...The rib in a stiff feather may be thinner, for so it will stand cleaner on; but in a weak feather you must leave a thicker rib, or else if the rib, which is the foundation and ground wherein nature hath set every cleft of the feather, be taken too near the feather, it must needs follow, that the feather shall fall and droop down, even as any herb doth which hath his root too near taken on with a spade. The length and shortness of the feather serveth for divers shafts, as a long feather for a long, heavy, or big shaft, the short feather for the contrary. Again, the short may stand farther, the long nearer the nock. Your feather must stand almost straight on, but yet after that sort, that it may turn round in flying. |
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Tuukka Kumpulainen
Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 1566 Location: Turku
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Posted: 29.05.2007 11:53 Post subject: |
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Ascham ei tuntenut kalkkunansulkia, jotka ovat yleisen mielipiteen mukaan paljon parempi sulitusaines kuin hauraammat hanhensulat. A. E. Hodgson, peribrittiläinen jousimies, joutui 1950-luvulla pitkin hampain tunnustamaan, kuinka kalkkuna voittaa grey goose wingin, kuin myös jenkkiflättis enkkulonkkarin.
Korppikotkien sulat mainitaan monessa lähteessä keskiajalta nykyaikaan poikkeuksellisen hyvinä sulitussulkina. Jalompi (maa)kotka oli puolestaan muinoin hämmentävän yksimielisesti paras sulantuottaja kaikista. Kaukoidässä jopa kasvatettiin kotkia ihan pelkästään sulkien saannin turvaamiseksi. Kotkan suosiminen on helppo kuitata pelkkänä taikauskona ja toiveajatteluna, mutta eivät sen sulat voi huonoja olla kun niitä ympäri maailman menestyksekkäästi käytettiin. |
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Mika
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 978
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Posted: 29.05.2007 16:09 Post subject: |
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Taitavat värjätyt sulat hylkiä korteutta enemmän, olisi aivan kuin. |
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Rakonczay

Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Kuusankoski
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Posted: 30.05.2007 12:55 Post subject: |
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Taisin tosta kaiken Aschamin jaarittelun lomasta leikellä ne kotkan sulkia koskevat osat pois.
Hänkin myönsi kotkansulkien erinomaisuuden, mutta hylkäsi sen koska niitä oli liian vaikea saada, kun taas hanhia juoksi ennen muinoin kaikkien jaloissa ja lautasilla  |
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Mika
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 978
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Posted: 31.05.2007 12:56 Post subject: |
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Testasin miten lujassa sulat kiinni pikaliimalla ja lakatulla aihiolla :=)Valkoinen pehmytosa jää, joten ei repeytymättä irti. |
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korppi
Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 10 Location: Häme
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Posted: 07.06.2007 17:14 Post subject: |
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Itse löysin viimevuonna hyvältä pulupaikalta höyhennetyn pulun tai jopa kahden maallisen jäämistön. Siitä vaan ruohikolta keräämään nelisenkymmentä n. 15 cm. pitkää sulkaa mukaan. Aluksi vähän hirvitti, kun oli tuo lintuinfluenssa aihe kuumimmillaan juuri, mutta ajattelin, että parin viikon karanteeni riittää. Hienoja sulkia, tosin aika nopeasti rispaantuvia. Hyvin silti toimivat rispaantuneenakin.
Flunssaa muuten pukkaa, kauanko muuten on lintuflunssan itämisaika?  |
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