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J Menna · Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 1742 Location: Rajamäki

Ja kaveri ampuu nyt myös leikkureilla nopeasti. Eli enää ei käy selityksesi se että toki ratakärjillä pystyy, muttei...

Ja paunojakin on jousessa jotta menee silmukkahaarniskan läpi. Eli enää ei päde sekään että kaveri räiskii vain kevyillä ritsoilla.

Ja huikeaa myös tuo että kaveri on sitten viime näkemän opetellut ampumaan sekä oikealla että vasemmalla kädellä. Ja vaihto kädestä toiseen kestää alle sekunnin.

Ja sitten vielä tuo että nappaa jousen tai nuolen ilmasta/jostakin kiinni ja saa ne noin nopeasti laukaisuasentoon...

Ihan älytöntä. Ja ammuntaa monenlaisesta liikkestä ja likkeeseen.

Ei ole Lars jääny lekottelemaan vanhojen taitojensa kanssa. Mitäköhän se vielä oppiikaan.

Mä meen pihalle ampuu 10 nuolta sormet kohmeessa ny... Lyhyellä jousella kuten Lars. Ihan rauhallisesti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Varjaagi · Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 383 Location: Varjakka

Olisi mielenkiintoista tietää mitä materiaalia tuo silmukkahaarniska oli. Meinaan nuolet vaikuttivat ihan tavanomaisen vahvuisilta ja videolla niiden lentonopeus eikä lentorata ollut mitenkään vaikuttanut että jousi olisi kovinkaan korkeilla paunoilla. Mutta on noissa tempuissa tekemistä jo lastenjousellakin. Kerrassaan vaikuttavan näköistä temppuilua!!!!
Kyllä tuota kelpaisi katsella livenäkin...
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Aboriginaali varjaagi...

Kuhmon Ahma · Joined: 19 Feb 2012 Posts: 550 Location: syrjäkylä

muve · Joined: 28 Jan 2015 Posts: 3

Youtube-videossaan Lasse on kommentoinut aika laajasti tekniikkaansa, tässä paste:

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DO I HIT EVERYHING?
I use a LOT of time practicing, and every time I set out to learn a new skill, a new trick or how to handle a new type of bow or arrow, it takes a long time, with plenty of misses. When I got the idea of grabbing an arrow in flight and firing before I landed, it took me months to learn. For a long time, arrows flew everywhere!

But there's no trick in the video that I haven't done many times (except for splitting the arrow in flight ? after I'd done that once I finished the video). The one with hitting the blade I've only done three times, though. All that running hurt my knees. ;-)

ON MY BOWS AND POWER
Many people talk about how what I do is only possible because I use bows that are less powerful than English longbows. They are correct. I'm 50 years old, and have been doing archery for only ten years. I'll never be able to shoot really fast with 100 lbs+ war bows. I tried, but it just produced injuries. Had I started at age 10, it would have been a different story. ;-)

There is also a tendency from critics to assume that bows were always fired against plate armour (as at Crecy in 1346 and Agincourt in 1415). This was very much the exception. Many opponents had little or no armour at all, and Stone Age findings show that many animals were taken down by multiple shots. Also, in 1923 Saxton T Pope examined a number of historical museum bows from around the world. His conclusion was that most only had a tensile strength of 45-50 pounds.

THE CHAINMAIL TEST
Around 04:22 I penetrate chainmail. The arrows had bodkin tips, and the chainmail is riveted. However, while the gambeson is thick, it's not as thick as some I've seen elsewhere. But one reason the arrows penetrate is that I sharpen not only the tip itself, but also the edges of the bodkin tip.

SHOOTING ON THE RIGHT SIDE
There are archery traditions alive today which shoot the arrow on the right side of the bow, as I do. However, the places where most people come into contact with archery (Hollywood, The Olympics, archery clubs) do it left around the bow.

THE BACK QUIVER
Is it a myth? Yes and no. Some archers definitely slung their quivers on their backs for when they were marching, just like soldiers did with shields. We also can't rule out that some archers ? who didn't care what arrow they picked from the quiver or who didn't need to move rapidly ? had quivers on their backs, but we can rule out that this was a general thing as Hollywood makes it out to be.

THE THREE LEVELS OF ARROW HANDLING
The first level of arrow handling is having the arrows in a quiver, and drawing them one at a time. It's easy, and it's intuitive. Progressing from there to holding arrows in the bow hand takes practice, but it can be learned.

There are some drawbacks, however. Arab Archery (the book) says that it's less useful, because the arrows vibrate when shooting with powerful bows, causing imprecise shots.

The third level, keeping the arrows in the draw hand, provides a several benefits, but it requires that one is able to draw and shoot in one single movement without thinking. And that takes a LOT of practice. ;-)

THE ULTIMATE TRICK TOOK 14 TAKES

At first, I didn't think it was possible. You don't have time to aim or think, but can only do it if your reactions are completely instinctive. First of all, you need to be convinced that you WILL hit it, so you can ?feel? the incoming arrow and fire at it instead of just flinching away.

I was also in doubt whether it was smart to show this, because I don't want anyone to get hurt trying to copy the trick. I trained for years with soft boffer arrows and spent a LONG time before I tried it even the first time. And the arrow fired at me was not fired with a very powerful bow, though it was definitely dangerous enough!

It was a light bamboo arrow with a metal tip, and the arrow I shot back was a heavier aluminum arrow. That the arrow split was just pure luck, and I'm not certain I could repeat it without first training for a long time. I believe it split because it hit just behind the head and made the shafts fluctuate against each other, causing the bamboo shaft to split lengthwise.

- Lars Andersen, January 2015
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Simo Hankaniemi · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 4937 Location: Turku

Silmukkahaarniskan ei ole tarkoitus torjua nuolia, vaan miekan sivalluksia. Jos kyseessä on larppaajien haarniska, missä yksittäisten lenkkien päitä ei ole niitattu yhteen, ei sen lävistämiseen tarvita edes ratakärkistä nuolta, hylsypäinenkin riittää. Tiedän, kun olen kokeillut. 42-paunaisella 112 cm pituisella yksipuisella jousella ja pistoolinhylsypäisellä nuolella meni "haarniskasta" läpi kuin näkkileivästä. Niitatusta haarniskasta ei ole kokemusta, mutta tokihan bodkin-tyyppinen kärki menee silmukasta läpi, miksi ei menisi.

Jahas, tuossa tekstissä Lars mainitseekin, että niitattu haarniska, mutta langan laadusta ei mainita mitään. Luultavasti pehmeää rautalankaa. Ei mikään erityinen läpäisynäytös.

Juri · Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3319 Location: Vantaa

Herra Jack Fang on jo ehtinyt selvittää Larsin mystisen tekniikan salaisuudet:
Täältä löytyy aika kattava (ja valaiseva) opetussarja: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo9_hkkHwy8GcONynz4sz_Q
Suosittelen katsomaan!

muve · Joined: 28 Jan 2015 Posts: 3

Tässä eräs kohtuu vakuuttava (joskin rajallinen) testi jousen läpäisystä vs laadukas niitattu rengaspanssari: http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=11131

Tulosten perusteella epäilen, että Lassen jousi (40-50 paunaa?) ei läpäisisi ainakaan tuota panssarikokoonpanoa.

Simo Hankaniemi · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 4937 Location: Turku

muve · Joined: 28 Jan 2015 Posts: 3

J Menna · Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 1742 Location: Rajamäki

Ainakin facebookin sivuilla "Bad ass archers" Lars vastaa asiallisesti muutamiin "vastaväitteisiin" tai kommenteihin, joita meidänkin maassa on heitelty. Ei mitään yllättävää, mutta hyvää ja asiallista tietoa miten temput on tehty. Eli ei ne tietenkään aina mee ekalla nuolella jne...
Ja ei tietenkään ammu hevijousilla jne...

Mut se on maailman nopein ja poiminnu ideat tekniikkaansa Sarasen Archery kirjasta kuten jo videossaan totesi. Se on nopein jannu niin kauan kunnes tulee nopeempi jannu.